And then he was at [INAUDIBLE] and that caused him to go into a seizure. He could get anything in there, he said—porn, weed, lighters, tequila. They're also tied to at least one homicide that we know of right now. Yes. Edward said that guard ended up getting fired. I'd gotten Malik's name from a former staff member who'd suggested he might be a good person to talk to about what life was like at Cuyahoga Hills. He needed stitches. And those are the people they hang out with. This is Malik. Go to ODYS, smoke weed, make money, kick it with your friends. Seth Lind is our Director of Operations. Serial Season One, Episode 8: The Deal with Jay The state’s case against Adnan Syed hinged on Jay’s credibility; he was their star witness and also their chief liability. I tell the kids all the time, the system is not designed to help you. And then, who knows, maybe a lawsuit. Excellent progress, yes? He said about fifteen kids from A Alpha, a Heartless Felons unit, had yanked the door open and stormed the kids on D Delta. Like, what's the feeling about that? Food and contraband—whatever I wanted. The firing pin was busted. You are now on notice. And a dude from Cleveland—. Joshua said sometimes the hits were in retaliation for something violent a youth had done to a guard. And maybe his story would have, should have, gone another way. January of 2017, Joshua went back to Indian River. He knew he could get killed for it, if these guys got the chance. So they're using you guys to fight back? When I first got assaulted down there, I told me to send me back to Indian River, because it's not going to stop. His unit had been rushed on their way to school, dozens of kids swarming at them from across the yard. But he loved his cousin, so he stuck up for him. It died down for a minute. A year had gone by since his arrest. Episode 8 of the Serial podcast once again brings the focus of the episode to Jay Wilds. For that matter, how did the cops make sense of Jay? Joshua didn't know who Julie Walburn was, but the judges down in juvenile court in Cleveland did, including Joshua's judge, Kristen Sweeney, who's also the administrative judge for the juvenile court. So if you want to stay in juvenile, you have to behave. So they started calling ODYS and saying this is unacceptable. Two of them are gas stations. He offered that youth extra commissary to assault him again, so to fight him again. Editing on this episode from Ira Glass and Nancy Updike. I kept coming to them back and back for probably like two months. He was staying in juvenile. I kept telling him—I kept trying to explain to him, but he was just like flicking it off and or just like bringing it back on me. © 2014 - 2021 Serial Podcast I'm hearing stuff like, you know, the guard put handcuffs on him. In Serial Episode 8, Host Sarah Koenig starts off by talking with one of the jurors from the case, Stella Gray. Joshua can fight. There's really no such thing as a gang expert because there aren't people in these gangs studying these gangs. A couple of them told me it was made clear to them they might not be protected if they were to be assaulted on the units. Do you guys ever hesitate to use juveniles because you're just like, eh, let's try to keep them out of this stuff? The Serial staff includes Emily Condon, Julie Whitaker, Cassie Howley, Frances Swanson, and Matt Tierney. I never stopped, the whole time, I never stopped saying, send me back to Indian River. Oh, an adult. And he was a kid. Joshua said all along he'd been telling the administration at Cuyahoga Hills, I am not safe here. I've been inside the main building. Both attorneys were shocked, they said, that it seemed like the Heartless Felons were colluding with staff. How could the government take a teenager, an unrepresented teenager, persuade him to do the thing almost nobody does, the thing law enforcement has been desperate for someone to step up and do, cooperate, get him to generously spin through his Heartless Felon's Rolodex, then put him on the witness stand, not once, but twice, then put him back in juvenile prisons packed pretty tightly with Heartless Felons, offer a parting handshake and a general note to behave himself—remember that SYO hanging over your head—and how could that same government then sit back and watch him get jumped again and again and again? Again, they didn't comment on anything specific, but they gave us this statement. He'd tell you he was grown. I don't care what you did. So let's run through our choices, shall we? To protect him, they'll need to play for time in their investigation - but the judge orders Titi's arrest to collect his … Sniff. He saw that the Heartless Felons were in charge of some of the units, controlling the video game remote, taxing kids for their food, forcing them to clean up, or to make three-way phone calls for them, all of which Joshua had anticipated. Thomas: This episode focused mainly on Jay. That's serialpodcast.org. Joshua said the guard didn't call a signal eighty-eight to ask for help. That was his SYO. Now, there are about five hundred kids. I mean, it's been like that since I got down here, since January. In Episode 8: “The Deal with Jay”, the main point in this episode is to talk more to Jay, and try to find out any more evidence that he could be hiding from us. I could hear him crying. We're going take care of you all. Kids were also being harmed by other kids, and they had no real avenue to complain or to get help. What he can recount with practically digital accuracy, though, is when the trouble really, really started. They can play cards, though dice are contraband. What do you mean it doesn't happen? They call it getting twisted. Then, came federally mandated and fairly massive reforms that sought to do away with solitary confinement as a punishment, barred staff from using force, except in extreme circumstances, and added lots of educational and therapeutic programs. Staff would stand in the doorway of their room and be like, do something, do something. I'm in the facility every day and this doesn't really happen. And if a juvenile prison system could have a golden age, this would be it for Ohio's. And then he transferred to a minimum security juvenile prison called Cuyahoga Hills. If he remembers right, he was handcuffed. Most kids send their money home, sometimes through visitation. And they know that the inmate will fight they ass. Did you personally get any blowback of, like, why are you friends with this kid, or why are you—. At Indian River, Joshua was an insider, well positioned. The animation and illustration on our website was done by the talented team at Moth Studio. How much does a cell phone go for at Cuyahoga Hills? Winry however, may end up as the next victim of the city's serial killer. Serial Episode 8: A Study in Bias? So what are we doing besides housing them in a facility where we're not teaching them anything? Joshua said the Heartless Felons were trying to conquer their unit, basically, because their unit wasn't joining HF, wasn't submitting to HF. They felt like the kids had no protection from abuse or from coercion. To see—they trying to invoke my SYO, the institution. Hosted and produced by Sarah Koenig; produced by Julie Snyder and Dana Chivvis; editorial advisory by Ira Glass. There was a lot of talk that they would check in on him. Whitney Dangerfield is our … Don’t know how to get a podcast? Serial, it often seems, is a story about jumping to conclusions. That was most of the tension. One former Indian River guard told me everything was hush, hush, hush. Serial Is a production of This American Life and WBEZ Chicago. And why were they wanting you to beat on a certain kid? Juvenile courtrooms are tightly controlled. This episode of “Serial” was produced by Sarah Koenig, Julie Snyder and Dana Chivvis, with editorial advisory by Ira Glass and editing help from Joel Lovell. I talked to Joshua every couple of days, sometimes every day. Life-sized posters of basketball stars are decorating the hallway. And the staff, [INAUDIBLE] they're not doing nothing. Sometimes, in the calls, Joshua was sounding jangled. Episode 8: A Madman’s Vacation. I'm just going to tell you how I feel, like, all the way, like, boom. And then his whole face just swelled. Tedious. One night, when he was sleeping, someone hit Malik in the face with a combination lock, right between the eyebrows. Tanya Basu, Conor Friedersdorf, Adrienne LaFrance, and Katie Kilkenny discuss the latest episode of WBEZ Chicago's popular non-fiction podcast Serial.. Friedersdorf: Eight episodes into the Serial podcast, there still isn't any certainty about who killed Hae Min Lee. If another fight happens, you can lock down the whole unit, and then you just sit in the day area for the rest of your shift, watch TV. One night, in June of 2014, Joshua, freshly sixteen, had gone to sleep after a night at a bar. It was just me up there. I told them, but they didn't really do anything. Joshua told me he just found out he had a court date. It's a curriculum designed by the Children's Defense Fund. They went in his room for a week straight and just kept jumping him and beating him. Was he posting from inside—oh, really? He admitted to taking twenty bucks from one of the kids and using it to buy them pizza. We can hand you over to the adult court system. And that was one of the reasons our program was so beneficial, because the children were on side with the program. I was just there for a couple of hours and I came right back to the institution. Money—whatever I wanted. Joshua had already passed the various tests to get absorbed into the gang. He'd just been moved to a new unit, and he started arguing with the guard on duty. I got knocked out. They told him they had him for some robberies. ZipRecruiter ads are voiced by Stephanie Foo. He can't go to the school, to the cafeteria—. The prison system wouldn't allow me to interview Joshua in person. About “Episode 8: The Deal With Jay” Serial is a new podcast from the creators of This American Life, hosted by Sarah Koenig. And the data supported his alarm. It's not about retribution. It just looked crazy. Julie Walburn had come to a recent meeting of juvenile judges in Cuyahoga County and she said, we know about the violence and the rule breaking, and we're going to fix it. This institution cannot control me, or stuff like that. And I couldn't even manage that myself. But he said more and more people were assaulting him. He told me he'd already lost his job after picking up a domestic violence conviction. That's how I learned about Joshua, from Paul. As a source, he was a champion. Wait. Or is that not true? The detention center isn't technically ODYS, but there's a lot of cross pollination with ODYS, especially with Cuyahoga Hills, in terms of staff and kids and gang culture. And I was visibly distraught, to say the least, where Judge Floyd put her hand on my little arm and said—, Because what was the explanation? It was cool, he said. Serial Episode 8: A Study in Bias? So it was like, boom, boom. And three letters, yeah. More and more juveniles were being charged with the worst crimes—serious assaults, robberies, rapes, homicides all rising for the past five years. I did that all the time. 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