Even there the UK has compromised US information and… Read more », I suppose the same applies to the U.S. stance on the export of the F22…, Yep is a continuum of trust, some things nations seem to like to keep to thereselves even if there could have been strategic advantage in sharing or selling, the F22 was a classic example, as strategically the western world could have done with wider access to the F22, it also would have drop the unit price and given the US a bigger buy. Apart from our nuclear deterrence I would look at four main areas. Did you know…. When operating as part of a task group, does the Astute need to match surface vessel speeds, or do they offer regional support but at a slower speed? Julian, The USN SSN force end strength numbers ( and therefore deployment schedules) are a bit of an illusion because many of the boats are tied up and minimally manned – not because of real manpower issues – it’s because of the fact there is not enough yard space for their maintenance and midlife overhaul availabilities. Indeed some ‘quotes’ from those purportedly involved were pretty dismissive of the Virginias’ claiming they could toy with them at will but you always get a level of hyperbole in these matters so one has to be a little circumspect. As you say when UUV’s mature they may take some of the pressure off of the Astute’s with regards to CASD support. a lot… Read more ». We could have numerous extra ships. SDSR 2010 clearly stated the Intention to reduce the Missile Load out from 16 to 8,carrying 40 Warheads. But looking at the size and width of the hall, could they not build Astutes and Dreadnaught side by side, or am I missing something? We should definitely look to build a diesel electric version of the Astutes to increase our own submarine numbers if nothing else, and possibly win some exports too. Instead we have capability such as these. Good point Andy, you would hope they would deploy fully tooled up for bear, considering the small number! Did 12 in one go, hasn’t touched them since – strange that! The first is numbers, there is not enough of these subs to do all the tasks that would be needed in times of war. Silly me. Thanks Helions. I think if we built support ships with decent amphib capabilities and helo facilities we would only need 1 LPH. I believe the vision for the future involves making greater use of UUVs with manned platforms acting as ‘mother ships’. Going away from length to diameter other western… Read more », Hi Jonathan, I read an article on how wave drag works on a ship and how a bulbous bow works (it was actually quite interesting, honest). I suppose the good thing about a sub is you never know where it is when it is at sea so our foes do not know which critical function our Government has not covered due to their cutbacks… it is like that game with the pea and the cups…. The class have provision for up-to 38 weapons in six 21-inch torpedo tubes. when was the last time we were attacked in our home islands?? I don’t want to run the army down to nothing but adopt a maritime posture as the UK traditionally did for hundreds of years. An exterior set of the main Hunter Killer submarine was built in Pinewood Studios ’ 806,000-gallon exterior water tank, while underwater scenes were shot using a separate water tank at Warner Bros. Studios, Leavesden, also just outside London. © 2014-2019 UK Defence Journal, all rights reserved. However when the two get too close you get screams of ‘Military Industrial- Political complex!’; are too cosy. I think in that case the US would have agreed. The Falklands. Astute submarines are the first nuclear submarines to be designed entirely in a three-dimensional, computer-aided environment. As you say the remaining Trafalgar’s must be absolutely flogged and surely cannot be providing the same level of availability at their much younger cousins. That would suggest that the U.K. should have around 8 to 9 SSNs. Gerard Butler stars as an unconventional submarine skipper sent to investigate the torpedoing of a US vessel. The UK in WW1 could not have… Read more », Thanks Alf, really good points. A couple more Astute class would be a huge result. If the cables on board an Astute Submarine were laid out end-to-end, they would stretch from Barrow to Preston. There is an optimal length to diameter for submarines but does using PWR2 prevent you from designing that in unless you are going to increase the tonnage of the ship dramatically ? Though you… Read more ». The Hunterkiller fleet has had a really significant drop in numbers. With the Russian navy numbers can be misleading and aren’t always a great indicator of naval strength. The placement of hydroplanes will… Read more ». We’re not going to be able to influence anything there, the odd tie up with allies is the way forward – but basically using spare capacity rather than anything critical. But we do already build the above mentioned. Did’nt they forget the Galley, and have to redesign the interior to fit?? I’m all for more SSN’s but hard to justify them in the basis of a perceived enemy threat that does not really exist. Stealth is the real winner, and Spearfish would be enough to take out any foreign warships. Most officers and politicians lived in fear of him. Roll on HMS Dreadnaught. For two Virginia class you would get three Astutes. You can read more about that here. 10-week patrol the 98-strong crew of a Astute will get through (on average): 18,000 sausages and 4,200 Weetabix for breakfast. The Astute class is the latest class of nuclear-powered fleet submarines ( SSNs) in service with the Royal Navy. It baffles me why Government doesn’t do it, it seems such a no-brainer. I know the range, yield, survivability and patrol issues but I think on balance it would be worth it for another 5 to 6 astute. Their experiences encompass the span of the Cold War, from voyages in WW2-era submarines under Arctic ice to nuclear-powered espionage missions in Soviet-dominated seas. As I have said before, cheaper ssk’s To increase numbers, then work on cheap autonomous loitering subs networked with an underwater sensor field in key areas around us. We need to just buy a further batch of 3-4 more Astutes. This as an example that the moaners on here and elsewhere need to consider when describing our forces as third world. We’re a very wealthy country with a large population & all we lack is leadership & political will to employ more people to crew any assets we need. A U.S. submarine, the USS Tampa Bay, vanishes while shadowing a Russian Akula-class submarine in the Arctic. I moan quite a bit, but not about capability – I worry about depth and only in some cases. I would hope that if not and we have decided to not export the design it is purely due to the fact we want to protect our advantage. Master the sonar and weapons control systems, learn to develop real target situations and outfit your boat with the latest advanced weaponry. Courtesy of BAE, we’ve also been able to publish an interesting list of trivia. If yes then incorporating a single CMC (which I believe is 4 tubes) into the UK’s next generation SSN (i.e. Let’s keep Astute capability ourselves. Impossible. 16 tubes for cruise missiles? The reality is that one Astute (with it’s excellent crew) is perfectly capable of gutting most Navies. Courtesy of BAE, we’ve also been able to publish an interesting list of more bits of trivia. navy maintainers are generally a play on words, take for example marine engineering mechanics, you’d expect greasy hands and an oily rag, but in reality they never get to even hold a spanner engineers in the royal navy are watchkeepers and equipment operators. Agree the Astute is a symbol of national pride and contains some of our most utterly top secret technology. The manufacturer say that no other attack submarine is as technologically advanced. Couldn’t the Astute Class have an SSK version as well? Lord Mountbatten must have really put on the charm offensive to get Rickover to agree to this. And unless your productivity is head and shoulders above everybody else’s (which ours unfortunately isn’t!) SSK’s will be increasingly replaced by drones. the M.O.D have blindsided themselves again by believing claims made in a bae CaTALOGUE.the t45 was to be the best of the best-we all know about that statement now don’t we?and they can’t never have or will outpace EVERY SURFACE UNIT. All 3 have had very costly life extensions, but unfortunately, in the nuclear world, reliability can suffer greatly when they reach this age. The ‘Bomb shop’ is also the extra bunk space for any riders. The US economy is between 6 and 7 times bigger than the U.K.’s. If you can fit 3 A boats in then you can fit an A and ‘D’, guess it would be down to the dockies to work out the logistics. In the case of Dreadnought, the missile compartment is of course jointly designed. The 21.6% ratio is correct but I should have said 14 x 6 months (not 7 as written – that is the number of years deployed). The theory is no different to laminar flow over a wing except you are dealing with a stickier medium i.e. T class boats spent the best part of 2 yesrs out of service undergoing LOP(R). In both cases, we would be able to field many more UUV than manned SSN or even AIP boats, with much lower costs. One question. UK's entire fleet of hunter-killer submarines out of action . That’s no argument at all. We do not need the development costs. All from 100s of miles away. The Devonshire Dock Hall is BAE Systems Maritime-Submarines main build facility, standing 51m high, 58m wide and 260m long. Somewhat off beat, but looking at the photo of the 3 sub’s being assembled, head on they look like a T-Rex. Win win for all. Astute has already been in commission for some 10 years,… Read more », Out of 7 it seems like we should be able to support at least 4 Astutes at sea at any given time if we had to maintain that tempo of ops? Pump jets can and do still cavitate, they just produce more thrust before cavitation begins to occur. These groups were formed around smaller escort carriers along with several destroyers, frigates, destroyer escorts, corvettes, and … Depth and the way Mod and government treat the forces and dole out the money, these are the moans. The Astute class are the largest, most advanced and most powerful attack submarines ever operated by the Royal Navy, combining world leading sensors, design and weaponry in a versatile vessel. Sign up today and take part in our online community. It seems clear that the only way we’ll wake up to the imbecility of ever smaller forces in an ever more dangerous world will be when next we’rewoken from our slumber at the cost of many servicemen & women the hard way. The Block IV improves maintenance and tweaks design. Possibly 1more added through the savings of sharing the design with Australia and hopefully Canada. Why can’t we re -purpose them as super Astutes? The Devonshire Dock Hall is BAE Systems Maritime-Submarines main build facility, standing 51m high, 58m wide and 260m long. One on one were beatable, 28 to 1 no chance…. It currently has just over 60 SSNs in service, including under construction. Astute Class. Seems to be the only thing your concerned about and it is very bizarre as the topic is the Astute class. Submarines unlike surface warships are, how can I say it, very much a closed system. I do often moan lol, and often through ignorance in some part. Do we know how many tins of beans they carry and how many double deckers busses they can fit on the flight deck…..I’m sure there must a a pick of the House of Commons as a scale somewhere……, All good points Jonathan, personally, I’m curious what they look like stood on their end next to Nelson’s column for scale. Just a thought…. We can use Britain’s own hard earned money saved to improve our own country (enlarge the Royal Navy, rebuild our industries with state of the art facilities, improve our motorway network, improve our railway network, etc.). Having a global deployment of 1 sub at any one time seems a bit slim, 2 would make more sense (which would mean a total of 10). more than 6 months, which would increase that percentage? Astute submarines are the first Royal Navy Submarine not to be fitted with optical periscopes – instead the vessel employs high specification video technology. His issues were he was one of the people who KNEW he was brilliant. Then use your skills to complete the tour of duty and earn your dolphins to become a true submariner. Agree with Deep32 on this Paul, they’re not going to take a BN off its patrol for pretty much anything. This would be a hugely popular move. Its stealthy, accurate and now being developed to be sub launched. But my most passionate moans are often those to do with frustrations over a lack of backing and vision with our procurement and industrial strategies. My view is let the continental powers focus on the land forces and we focus on our areas of strength, which are also the same forces that allow us to exercise global influence and make us a partner of choice. T.S. I know there is a bit of overlap (sometimes) between those roles but how many SSN’s can we expect to be available on a good day, 2-3? The list I came up with is simply restoring force levels to a minimum point, to allow the country to defend itself robustly and independently. ... later batches were planned with increased hull size and new sonars. Commander Rupert Best, outstanding midshipman who later commanded the hunter-killer submarine Courageous – obituary As a businessman, Best was … Could we not also build a lower end version with a more standard propulsion, acoustic suite, etc. Astute may be quite for nuclear boat but I doubt they’re as quite as the Upholder/Victoria class were/are. Also bear in mind %gdp both countries spend on military. If we want more subs, which we clearly do need. Yes I too really want to understand where this figure of 7 came from. Astute then proceeded to make the point by penetrating a Carrier battle group and sinking 2 cruisers and an Arleigh Burke as well as having a… Read more ». It happened often enough with the ‘shooter’ boats banging off the TLAM’s. Look at the spat the US and UK had over the F35 it was almost a break up (which could have really damaged the programme) over Sovereign control between the two development partners. Hi Rob. How many miles of sausages and weetabix is that? With correct strategy and a skilled crew they are war winners. George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval defence technology and cyber security matters. Astute is better than Virginia class. A couple of armoured brigades ain’t going to help… Read more », The lesson of the 20th Century, which is not dissimilar to the lessons of previous centuries, is that wars are decided on land, and if you want to have influence in how an alliance operates, you have to make a significant land contribution. Would it not make sense to give the Astutes an AShM option? It is government policy that Britain should not have any decent industry/exports, and if any do emerge they have to be sold to foreigners immediately. I for one would trade some surface navy for more subs. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/meet-britains-stealthy-hunter-killer-submarines The back end of Dreadnought was in fact a Skipjack. You can do a weapons load alongside though, you could ‘top them up’. 10-week patrol the 98-strong crew of a Astute will get through (on average): 18,000 sausages and 4,200 Weetabix for breakfast. Yes that story has often been told so I suspect there is substance to it. The fin will create its own ‘bow’ wave and I think that the shaping in that area of the hull will help to limit the pressure wave and hence drag. The last T boats are going to have to stick around even longer to avoid dropping below 6 SSN’s in the years ahead. Both torpedoes would only reach max speeds in the final phase of an engagement. . So that is the first issue that needs to be resolved. We dont have manning for current hulls. These are utterly deadly vessels. The number of subs is a real concern, no matter how good they are, cant be in two places at once. No T.S I had no one especially in mind! You’re right. Because the RN actually knows how to manage our fleet very well . You also have to think of economies of scale – once you’ve got some nuclear submarines, you have to fund a infrastructure to support them, train the people and so on, and those backroom costs of operating more or less does not scale linearly. Are they more limited by human factors (crew, shore time, etc) than mechanical? The threat of an Astute operating in the area would be enough to keep most Navy’s in harbour, regardless of what weapons it carry’s. There’s lots of interesting stuff in that article but one thing really caught my eye – “an SSN normally deploys 14 times during its 33-year lifespan”. Would love your thoughts, please comment. The seven Astute class nuclear powered submarines will have the capability to circumnavigate the globe without surfacing, limited only by their food storage capacity. Which are shaping up to be the best, most deadly and capable subs in the world. But as rule it would be very difficult to do what you suggest. Over 3 for US Vs 2 for UK. Able to deploy rapidly, they are powered by a nuclear reactor that can run for their 25 year lifespan without refuelling. http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-simple-reason-why-americas-virginia-class-submarines-are-17835, Thanks Helions. That made him difficult to work with,crude, abrasive, and short tempered. It’s like sinking one ship with a torpedo in the Falkland’s put the entire Argentinian fleet in port. …or how many Olympic-sized swimming pools would fit in one. Thats the problem with ordering so few boats, its hard to maintain the capability to design/build them. A familiar story sadly. It is hard to think of a single conflict where support, active or passive, from Allies has not proved vital in our success. Sceptical Richard, Britain was still building diesel electric subs in the ’90s, I wouldn’t say we had “zero” expertise in this area. Agree with a few more P8’s and increase in helicopter numbers. the size of your economy is going to dictate more or less what you can afford…, To add I think it’s not so much what one can afford rather what one chooses to spend. I would be content if we just get all 8 type 26. HUNTER KILLERS follows the careers of four daring British submarine captains who risked their lives during the Cold War to keep the rest of us safe, their exploits consigned to the shadows until now. Britain… Read more ». The first submarine for the Royal Navy was built in Barrow, and every submarine currently in service was also built there, Holland 1. Too many people, not enough land or knowhow to produce enough food of our own. Combined with a greater proliferation of cruise missile options from T26 and the carrier’s reducing the need for a constant/separate Tomahawk boat presence East of Suez it may enable the RN to just about get by on 7 boats. I would rather spend the money on them and the 3rd carrier you propose on a fleet of SSK personally. If the cables on board an Astute Submarine were laid out end-to-end, they would stretch from Barrow to Preston. Does anyone know if that capability did make it through to the final design? Agreed but the extra hulls will have to come from unmanned systems in the grounds of cost and crew. https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2018/05/12/future-attack-sub-rickover-hits-milestone-as-us-navy-churns-through-virginia-block-iv/. Not to mention the missiles fired would have the potential to unintentionally lock on to civilian ships along its route. Even for a sailor that’s a lot of sausage. Sets of the interior of a Virginia-class Hunter Killer submarine were built at Ealing Studios , using blueprints approved by the US Navy, with the spaces expanded slightly to allow freer camera movement. Our politicians have no intent of upsetting the masses by cutting the NHS or education, so defence becomes the easy kitty to raid. Astute class submarines are designed not to require refuelling throughout her projected 25-year life. It’s similar with the Taranis, there is no doubt in my mind that if the will was there… Read more ». We are an island nation. We should be more self sufficient and able to project military power… Read more », […] The Astute class, Britain’s advanced hunter killer — UK Defense Journal […]. This is why I and others have called for an ssk, for say £500 mill a pop – they look after Faslane and North… Read more », T.S. Round 1: Size The Royal Navy’s Astute-class of submarines is currently the tenth-biggest submarine class in the world, with a surfaced displacement of 7,000t to7,400t, and a submerged displacement of 7,400t to 7,800t. However we need an AIP sub that can guard our sub base so nuke boats can be freed up for other stuff. You forgot the Falklands – South Atlantic..! Realistically it wouldn’t, but because it can it makes the enemy reactive to the threat. I was basing my assumption on the best case scenario of having all 7 Astute’s in service but I’m aware that won’t be for at least 6 more years (probably longer)! T31 at 10 units tops for me. Then we get well paid jobs and skills, then the tax receipts flood in to government. The Admirals hated Rickover – he went around the Navy leadership (& the President) directly to Congress. I think the initial numbers where around 10, but with the threat of Russia barely existent 10 years ago (their subs where more of a danger to their sailors than us) the numbers where cut and production stretched until the Dreadnoughts to maintain skills and employment. The elephant in the room is the cost of renewing the SSBN force from the core budget, this has not happened before and that’s the real strain on the Defence Budget. For examples just look at the extremely strong bonds between the US and UK intelligence services. Showing my age now…. Deep = no cavitation = speed SSNs certainly support Battle Groups & not necessarily always in the forward sector – unless an adversary happens to be on the BG track, they will be approaching from the flanks or stern. I was thinking of those who appear on this site and bemoan our third world military. It is enabled & formalised under the national security law. Currently policy isn’t designed for us to go toe to toe alone with the Russians and come out on top, I would imagine a large reason behind this is financial. I suspect it’s to do with size of support infrastructure, expense and manpower. The class have provision for up-to 38 weapons in six 21-inch torpedo tubes. Crucially a write up of its first deployment to exercise vs US Atlantic fleet off US East coast. It’s one area that we have a ‘massive’ technology and quality advance and lead over China and Russia. I know it’s great to have two carriers, but I would happily have given up one for a couple more Astutes. The UK has achieved the historical impossible of being a small semi-isolated nation becoming a global super power, and post that, remaining a global power – off the back of being very good at making and keeping Alliances. Directed by Donovan Marsh. Astute pitted against 2 Virginia class SSNs. I have been saying the same thing David, we absolutely have to cut the foreign aid budget, it is far too high. With lower costs an extra 3-4 SSK might be procured to augment the nuclear boats. Did not know that fact about the Skipjack stern on the Dreadnought SR! © 2014-2019 UK Defence Journal, all rights reserved. …and, as we all know, not very good for them! Indeed we did Stephen G. Some of that expertise is still alive and well (just about) and helping Canada with theirs I think they are still the quietest boats the RN ever had. What are the availability rates like on Astutes? 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